| Stuart's Left Eye | 
Date Thu Oct 11 4:27:15 p.m. CT 2007
Edited Thu Oct 11 5:07:39 p.m. CT 2007
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| I thought it would fun to see what everyone thought of all the trades so far. Looking at each individually would be a pain so I decided to group them by team and look at the combined trades of each team. I'll list the results of all the trades here and set up a poll for each team. I'll start with teams that have made the most trades and progress downward.
Here is what I did. I listed all the players and draft picks involved in all of the team's trades. Next, I cancelled out the similar picks on each side and filled in the remaining picks with who was taken at that spot. Then, I cancelled out the similar players on each side and also deleted any players who are currently a FA. Here are the first two teams, Balls and Inglorious.
Balls (16 trades):
Balls Received Balls Gave
QB Brees Palmer
Losman Bulger
Croyle Kolb
RB T. Henry Caddy Williams
McGahee Brandon Jackson
A. Peterson (Min) Dorsey
M. Bell Dwayne Wright
Irons M. Moore
K. Watson
WR J. Walker S. Smith (Car)
A. Toomer R. Wayne
K. Walter Bowe
B. Smith Curry
Br. Jones Stallworth
TE Crumpler T. Gonzalez
Cooley D. Clark
B. Watson E. Johnson
Def Chicago Carolina
Picks ----- 2008 Round 1
2008 Round 3
See the poll for your vote.
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| Stuart's Left Eye |
Date Thu Oct 11 4:32:31 p.m. CT 2007
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| Here's Inglorious (6 trades):
Inglorious Received Inglorious Gave
QB ---- Losman
RB L. Johnson Jones-Drew
M. Turner T. Jones
M. Moore Foster
A. Peterson (Chi)
WR A. Johnson S. Moss
D. Bowe Toomer
P. Crayton
W. Welker
Stallworth
TE E. Johnson LJ Smith
Picks 2008 Round 3 2008 Round 1
See his poll for your vote.
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| Commissioner |
Date Thu Oct 11 4:40:15 p.m. CT 2007
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| I realize it's very tough to get 16 trades  right but gian gave up Jennings and Watson too. At the very least.
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| Inglorious Bastards |
Date Thu Oct 11 5:01:10 p.m. CT 2007
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| For me this would be easier to evaluate looking at every trade. I think I know what you're trying to show, but I'm still confused. 
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| Commissioner |
Date Thu Oct 11 5:04:40 p.m. CT 2007
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| Inglorious Bastards:
> For me this would be easier to evaluate looking at
> every trade. I think I know what you're trying to
> show, but I'm still confused.
You can actually do that by looking at transactions and limiting it to one team and trades. The problem is that it won't tell who the players are that were draft picks. Besides I think it is better to look at it overall to see the big picture.
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| Stuart's Left Eye |
Date Thu Oct 11 5:10:20 p.m. CT 2007
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| Commissioner:
> I realize it's very tough to get 16 trades
> right but gian gave up Jennings and Watson too. At
> the very least.
Thanks. His took a while. Jennings was canceled out (drafted with a pick he received in a trade and then traded away) and Watson was a mistake. I canceled Ben and Ken.
Looking at the big picture for Balls is like comparing 2 whole teams.
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| Commissioner |
Date Thu Oct 11 5:24:29 p.m. CT 2007
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| Stuart's Left Eye:
> Looking at the big picture for Balls is like
> comparing 2 whole teams.
No doubt.
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| Stuart's Left Eye |
Date Thu Oct 11 8:27:13 p.m. CT 2007
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| Here's Boomer's (6 trades):
Boomer Received Boomer Gave
QB Romo Beck
A. Smith
Schaub
RB A. Thomas T. Bell
AP2 C. Henry (Ten)
M. Bell
WR Horn Mason
C. Henry (Cin) Galloway
A. Gonzalez
K. Walter
B. Smith
TE R. McMichael
K S. Graham Gould
Def Carolina Denver
Poll is up.
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| Balls Deep |
Date Fri Oct 12 11:29:42 a.m. CT 2007
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| Well, I also think the setup doesn't really do it justice, but that's fine. But, also don't forget, there is the original trade with Glass that never showed up. So I ended up with an extra pick that isn't accounted for. Also, some of those just aren't accurate bc it seems you cancelled some out and not others. For example, without counting that trade from Glass, it looks like I gave up much more than I really did. I actually gave up LJ (the 1.4 pick) to get AP and also added AJ in there. If you want me to do the breakdown for my team since I know what happened, I'd be more than happy to.
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| Balls Deep |
Date Fri Oct 12 11:57:18 a.m. CT 2007
Edited Fri Oct 12 1:18:05 p.m. CT 2007
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| Ok, I went through it and did it myself. I'll just list out the final net product of all my trades where I eliminated where I got players and then traded them at a later time.
Received:
QB--Brees, Losman, Croyle
RB--A. Peterson, T. Henry, McGahee, Irons
WR--J. Walker, B. Jones
TE--Cooley, Crumpler
Def--Chicago
FA since dropped that I received: Tab Perry, Kevin Walter, Brad Smith, David Boston, Toomer, Stokley, Mike Bell.
I gave up:
QB: Bulger, Kolb
RB: LJ, Cadillac, Brandon Jackson, DeDe Dorsey, Dwayne Wright, AP2, M. Moore
WR: S. Smith, Stallworth, Bowe, Glenn, Lelie
TE: Clark, Watson, Eric Johnson
Def: Carolina
2008 1st and 3rd
That's the final result. I think you guys might want to readjust your voting when you look at that.
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| Stuart's Left Eye |
Date Sat Oct 13 8:17:32 a.m. CT 2007
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| Balls Deep:
>So I ended up with an extra pick that
> isn't accounted for. Also, some of those just
> aren't accurate bc it seems you cancelled some out
> and not others. For example, without counting that
> trade from Glass, it looks like I gave up much more
> than I really did.
All I did was list all the players picks you received and traded away, filled them in with players drafted at those picks, and canceled out those appearing on both sides. I could have easily made a mistake with yours. I'll check again. I would have missed the Glass trade if it didn't appear in the transaction list.
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| Stuart's Left Eye |
Date Sat Oct 13 2:52:34 p.m. CT 2007
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| Balls, you are correct. That one trade was the difference. Here is the adjusted results. I left any players who are still on rosters in the results. Only the ones who are currently FA's were removed. New poll is available.
Balls (16 trades):
Balls Received Balls Gave
QB Brees Bulger
Losman Kolb
Croyle
RB T. Henry Caddy Williams
McGahee L. Johnson
A. Peterson (Min) Br. Jackson
M. Bell Dwayne Wright
Irons M. Moore
Dorsey
WR J. Walker S. Smith (Car)
Br. Jones Glenn
K. Walter Bowe
B. Smith Stallworth
TE Crumpler B. Watson
Cooley D. Clark
E. Johnson
Def Chicago Carolina
Picks ----- 2008 Round 1
2008 Round 3
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| Stuart's Left Eye |
Date Mon Oct 15 10:37:38 p.m. CT 2007
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| Here's Glass (6 trades):
Glass Received Glass Gave
QB Bulger ----
RB A. Green Addai
Westbrook L. Johnson
Dorsey
WR R. Williams (Det) Jennings
Curtis Crayton
Welker
R. Williams (Jax)
Br. Jones
TE D. Clark B. Watson
LJ Smith Heap
K Vinatieri ----
Picks 2008 Round 1 ----
2008 Round 1
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| Stuart's Left Eye |
Date Mon Oct 15 10:55:59 p.m. CT 2007
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| Here's Inept Iguanas (4 trades):
Inept Receives Inept Gave
QB Clemens Brees
Quinn
RB Addai T. Henry
Caddy E. James
Portis Westbrook
Betts
Booker
WR Br. Johnson (Ari) C. Henry (Cin)
TE Heap Olsen
K ---- Graham (Cin)
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| Balls Deep |
Date Sun Jan 6 9:17:03 a.m. CT 2008
Edited Sun Jan 6 9:39:25 a.m. CT 2008
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| Stuart's Left Eye:
> Balls, you are correct. That one trade was the
> difference. Here is the adjusted results. I left
> any players who are still on rosters in the
> results. Only the ones who are currently FA's were
> removed. New poll is available.
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> Balls (16 trades):
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> Balls Received Balls Gave
> QB Brees Bulger
> Losman Kolb
> Croyle
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> RB T. Henry Caddy Williams
> McGahee L. Johnson
> A. Peterson (Min) Br. Jackson
> M. Bell Dwayne Wright
> Irons M. Moore
> Dorsey
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> WR J. Walker S. Smith (Car)
> Br. Jones Glenn
> K. Walter Bowe
> B. Smith Stallworth
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> TE Crumpler B. Watson
> Cooley D. Clark
> E. Johnson
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> Def Chicago Carolina
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> Picks ----- 2008 Round 1
> 2008 Round 3
I updated my overall trades from throughout the season:
Balls Received Balls Gave
QB Brees Bulger
Croyle Kolb
RB T. Henry Caddy Williams
Watson L. Johnson
A. Peterson (Min) Br. Jackson
Irons Dwayne Wright
Fargas Pittman
WR H. Ward S. Smith (Car)
Cotchery Glenn
Branch Bowe
Patten Stallworth
Burleson
TE D. Clark B. Watson
Heap E. Johnson
Def Chicago Carolina
Picks ----- 2008 Round 1
2008 Round 2
While not the most accurate way to look at the overall success as there were some individual trades I won on and others I lost, definitely feel like the overall product was improved over if I had just stayed put all year.
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| Stuart's Left Eye |
Date Sun Jan 6 7:12:05 p.m. CT 2008
Edited Sun Jan 6 7:14:06 p.m. CT 2008
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| I think you improved at QB. I'd rather have Brees than Bulger, but it's probably close. Kolb is the wildcard. I'd rather have him than Losman or Croyle, only because he hasn't had a chance to be mediocre. Slight improvement at QB. You definitely improved at RB. I'd rather have Peterson over Johnson and McGahee over Williams. You also likely may have the starter in Cincy. You have an argument for Henry but it's probably not a strong one. The rest of what you gave up isn't worth much. Big improvement at RB. You definitely took a hit at WR. Ward continued his slide and likely has seen his last days as a #1. Branch can't stay on the field. Cotchery looks good but I'm not sure if he'll ever be a (FF) #1. You definitely gave up a #1 in Smith. He still finished 13th despite the QB problems. Bowe finished even with Cotchery but I think I'd rather have him. I don't think the rest matter much. You definitely improved at TE. I like Clark over Watson and Heap is a bonus. He's top 5 when he plays. Who knows with defense year to year. Hester keeps Chicago in the top 6. Who knows what the draft picks will turn into.
Overall, I'd agree you improved. You definitely took a hit at WR but you ought to be able to turn some of your RB depth into an improvement at WR, but you'd have to be willing to make a few trades.
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| Commissioner |
Date Sun Jan 6 10:58:50 p.m. CT 2008
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| Gian bragging/showing how great you think you did in the trade department may not be the best way to induce owners to trade with you in the future. Some things may be best unsaid.
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| Commissioner |
Date Mon Jan 7 10:28:59 a.m. CT 2008
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| Boomer's Sausage Blankets:
> Where is Cooley???
Technically he got Cooley from me in trade so he doesn't show up on the list. Which is at least part of the reason I don't think using this method for evaluating trades shows the whole picture.
I gave up Cooley and Kenny Irons for Watson and Jennings.
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| Balls Deep |
Date Mon Jan 7 10:55:15 a.m. CT 2008
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| Yeah, not all players involved in trades show up if I didn't originally get them (or would have gotten them) in the draft. That's why it's not a completely accurate measure.
I agree a lot with Buckeye's assessment. Also, that wasn't about "bragging" at all. Just went back and revisited this and was showing the final product since it was done in the middle of the season. Not much point in showing how "great I did in the trading department" with an early playoff exit and nothing to show for it. That wasn't the intent at all. I really don't think that post would keep most from trading with me in the future, but if it does....
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