| ok finally have heard from all 3 board members.
here is the email i sent to them :
ORGINAIL EMAIL
This is the rule that's in question:
>
> here is a copy of our the is being questioned :
>
> 2. FEES -
> DUE BY MARCH 31 11:59:59 PM in the account provided in emails or
> if you are
> from out of town the league will provide an address to send a
> check/moneyorder to or paypal . then post on the message board
> that you have paid. - IF
> FEES AREN'T PAID BY DUE DATE THE OFFENDING FRANCHISE WILL NOT BE
> ALLOWED TO
> DO ANY TRANSACTIONS (TRADES/CLAIMS AND DRAFT) UNTIL THE FEES ARE
> PAID OR
> UNTIL THE LEAGUE FINDS A NEW OWNER FOR THE OFFENDING FRANCHISE.
> - The league fee is $150.00 per team plus website expenses (approx
> $10). -
> There will be a $25(1-7 days=$ 25,8-14 days=$ 50,15-21 days+$ 75)
> fine per
> week that you are late unless you have talked to the commissioner
> to make
> other arrangements before March 28.
> - - If you have paid your league fees but not any fines incurred
> for a late
> payment you will be able to draft but will NOT be able to make any
> transactions until late fines have been paid.
> - - IF YOU HAVE NOT PAID AFTER THE 3RD WEEK OR RESPONDED TO THE LEAGUE
> EMAILS ,THE OFFENDING TEAM CAN AND WILL BE REPLACED IMMEDIATELY.
> DURING WEEK
> 1 & 2 OF FINES FOR LATE PAYMENTS , THE COMMISSIONER MAY GO TO THE
> BOARD TO
> HAVE THE TEAM DECLARED VACANT.- For league fees to be increased
> there will
> need to be a 70% approval to have them raised. ?
>
> HERE IS NIC'S APPEAL LETTER:
>
> Circumstances are: Had money and Troy?s bank account in hand April
> 30 with
> full intensions of payment and made it to the bank but it was
> closed. That
> left me one more day Friday. Well Friday came and I could see I
> wasn?t going
> to make it there so emailed Troy in the afternoon and I quote:
>
>
>
> I had the money and account number in hand but was delayed in
> getting to the
> bank.
>
> Would like extension till Tuesday.
>
>
>
> N
>
>
>
> Copy of this email time stamp can be provided on request.
>
>
>
> I never heard back till after I paid on Tuesday and was notified
> of the
> fine.
>
>
>
> Grounds for my appeal are as follows:
>
>
>
> 1)Troy emailed many reminders to everyone about when league fees
> were due
> and in one or two of them he put the following statement:
>
>
>
> if you are going to be late please let me know i have no problem
> with late
> payments if i am informed a head of time there will be a 2 week
> and 1 week
> reminder if not paid up by then or have contacted me i will have
> to consider
> your team vacant because you would have had 4 emails from me and
> find a
> replacement owner
>
>
>
> As you can see there was no mention of notifying 3 days previous
> to deadline
> for purposes of an extension.
>
>
>
> 2)I have used the calendar on our leagues homepage as a handy tool for
> deadlines,etc. There are many references to fee payment due dates
> but none
> to 3 day deadline for payment extension.
> http://football5.myfantasyleague.com/2005/options?L=43714&O=123&MONTH=2&YEAR
> =2006
>
>
>
> Why have all those reminders on the calendar but no reference to
> applyingfor an extension deadline.
>
>
>
> My point is why in the off season would I go to the rules
> regarding an
> extension to league fee payment when it seemed pretty clear to me
> I thought
> that an extension could easily be granted. Sure it(the rule) is
> there as
> well as a book of rules but again it is off season and doesn?t
> affect a
> score or a player or any other owner.
>
>
>
> I paid!!!
>
>
>
> I think Troy?s emails and calendar led me to believe that I was
> allowed an
> extension. If I had known otherwise I would have driven to his
> house and
> paid him late that night after work but before the deadline.
>
>
>
> Rules are rules but are we to question every email from troy? In
> this case I
> should have because it led me astray.
>
> Like I said who would ever have thought that there would be a
> deadline for
> fee payment extension after reading his emails about gladly giving
> extensions.
>
>
>
> It was just a communications oversight and common sense and
> fairness should
> prevail.
>
>
>
>
>
> If you have any further questions regarding my appeal I can be
> reached at
> a1a85292@telus.net
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Nick
>
> Father & Son
>
>
> That is his explanation of what happened .
>
> There isn't much i can add except some background :
>
> This is why the rule is worded as is : this league began 3 season
> ago with
> many of the UFFL owners coming from another league that has been
> togetherfor 8-10 years. During that time i have watched many
> owners abuse the
> commissioner (telling him the money is his account to just being lazy)
> generosity so when this league was created the rule was worded as
> such an
> owner can take advantage of paying late ( 7 owners did this for
> variety of
> reasons -school, out of town due to work, vacation, other league fees
> ,rent ) but it also had a deadline to take advantage of this.
>
> This rule has been in place for 3 years and each owner received many
> REMINDER emails that the deadline was coming up. The emails went
> sent at 3,2
> & 1 month and 2 & 1 week reminder + the 3 teams that hadn't paid
> received an
> email on march 28 ( 3 days before April 1) reminding of the
> deadline. Of the
> 3 teams that received me email on the 28 , 2 of them responded
> that day.
>
> There are only 4 things that stand out to me as commissioner :
> 1. he notified me after the march 28 deadline so i had to fine him
> accordingto our rules which are black and white regarding this
> situation2. This owner demanded immediate payment of his winnings
> so i had to pay him
> by using paypal so he knew he had that option in the 3 months of
> knowing the
> league fees were due
> 3. the co commish was aware of every email and action taken by me and
> supported each and every move
> 4. In the future I will have to be more anal about rules and quote
> them in
> every email and have every little detail on the calendar so owners
> can not
> plead ignorance or use the excuse that i didn't know
>
>
> That is it for you.
> You decide on what should be done.
> The question that is put to you is :
> Should nic's fine be lifted ?
> YES = NO FINE
> NO = FINES STAYS
>
> If you have any questions about nic's email or mine. please
> CONTACT ME
> before you answer
>
> thanks
> troy
I HAD 2 QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD :
Before I come to a decision I wanted to know if this rule was in place in
>any of your other leagues (or if there was any other way Nic would have
>known about this deadline). To tell you the honest truth I wasn't aware
>there was a deadline to ask for an extension, but if there was any possible
>way that he woud have known about the extension deadline beforehand, Nic is
>pretty much guilty.
MY ANSWER
s you can see it is clearly written in the rules (this is the 3rd year in
>this league)
>and for your question no other league has this
>2 things to point out:
>1. each league is different so it is not fair to compare league
>2. these are our rules and this is the 3 rd year they have been existence
>and each year rules are recommended to be changes
2ND QUESTION
just after a bit of
clarification. Forgive my ignorance, but this 3 day notification of late
payment - is it writen in the rules or registered anywhere, or is this just
common knowledge?
MY ANSWER
the 3 day notification is in the rules
So after all that copying and pasting so evryone can see what was said
the final vote was 3-0 (FINE STAYS)
Nic you must pay the fine before you can do any transactions.
at this point in time all you can do is draft,sumbit line-ups
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Date Wed Apr 5 4:46:53 p.m. PT 2006